Talk:Government of Westarctica - Revision history

DukeBearPeninsula at 06:01, 24 December 2018

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	What about the [[Minister of Theocratic Affairs]]? And is there anyone else we should mention here? [[User:Baron of Bastanchury\|Baron of Bastanchury]] ([[User talk:Baron of Bastanchury\|talk]]) 05:55, 5 November 2018 (UTC)


	~~No, that position no longer exists. Same with Minister of the Environment. ~Travis (from Homburg, Germany)~~

	~~Ok, I retract my objection. I think it's better to be transparent, but I get the reasoning. -Jordan (20 Nov 18)~~

	There are several factual errors in the diagram. I'm removing it until it can be fixed.		There are several factual errors in the diagram. I'm removing it until it can be fixed.

	-Commissioner of Elections is missing.		* Commissioner of Elections is missing.
	-King of Arms isn't a Ministry, and will not report to the Prime Minister.		* King of Arms isn't a Ministry, and will not report to the Prime Minister.
	-"Foreign Office Ministry" should read "Foreign Minister"		* "Foreign Office Ministry" should read "Foreign Minister"
	-Captain of the Royal Guards is the head of the Royal Guards, like the Ministers are the heads of their Ministries. Having "Royal Guards" on here is redundant.		* Captain of the Royal Guards is the head of the Royal Guards, like the Ministers are the heads of their Ministries. Having "Royal Guards" on here is redundant.
	-There is currently no independent Ministry of Immigration, it's Citizenship & Immigration.		* There is currently no independent Ministry of Immigration, it's Citizenship & Immigration.
	-The Civilian Corps is another hybrid position, where it falls under Citizenship & Immigration structurally, but the head technically reports directly to the Grand Duke.		* The Civilian Corps is another hybrid position, where it falls under Citizenship & Immigration structurally, but the head technically reports directly to the Grand Duke.

	In my opinion, this Infographic is only going to become more and more cumbersome, as Westarctica progresses. If it is going to be up, it should be correct, and be regularly updated to reflect the current Government structure.		In my opinion, this Infographic is only going to become more and more cumbersome, as Westarctica progresses. If it is going to be up, it should be correct, and be regularly updated to reflect the current Government structure. -Jordan

DukeBearPeninsula at 06:00, 24 December 2018

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	Ok, I retract my objection. I think it's better to be transparent, but I get the reasoning. -Jordan (20 Nov 18)		Ok, I retract my objection. I think it's better to be transparent, but I get the reasoning. -Jordan (20 Nov 18)

			There are several factual errors in the diagram. I'm removing it until it can be fixed.

			-Commissioner of Elections is missing.
			-King of Arms isn't a Ministry, and will not report to the Prime Minister.
			-"Foreign Office Ministry" should read "Foreign Minister"
			-Captain of the Royal Guards is the head of the Royal Guards, like the Ministers are the heads of their Ministries. Having "Royal Guards" on here is redundant.
			-There is currently no independent Ministry of Immigration, it's Citizenship & Immigration.
			-The Civilian Corps is another hybrid position, where it falls under Citizenship & Immigration structurally, but the head technically reports directly to the Grand Duke.

			In my opinion, this Infographic is only going to become more and more cumbersome, as Westarctica progresses. If it is going to be up, it should be correct, and be regularly updated to reflect the current Government structure.

DukeBearPeninsula at 14:20, 20 November 2018

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	No, that position no longer exists. Same with Minister of the Environment. ~Travis (from Homburg, Germany)		No, that position no longer exists. Same with Minister of the Environment. ~Travis (from Homburg, Germany)

	I~~'m confused by the "incognito" edits~~. I ~~get valuing privacy, but don~~'~~t the people have a right~~ to ~~know who is serving them? I'm not advocating letting them treat our lives like an open book~~, but ~~the rest of the Council has their names on the Government page.~~ I ~~made the edit in~~ the ~~interest of streamlining the article~~. -Jordan		Ok, I retract my objection. I think it's better to be transparent, but I get the reasoning. -Jordan (20 Nov 18)

	I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but I assume you're referring to the birth name of the [[Baron of Bastanchury]]? I made the decision not to reveal his actual name on Encyclopedia Westarctica due to his past association with Wikipedia (more specifically, his being a banned contributor there). It could potentially lead to all kinds of attacks on Encyclopedia Westarctica from the community of Wikipedia editors and admins if his old foes over there knew that the good Baron has set up shop here. In the future, I'm happy to reverse that decision, but it serves our ends for now. ~ Travis (~~19 November 2018~~)

Westarctica: Reply to Duke Jordan

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	I'm confused by the "incognito" edits. I get valuing privacy, but don't the people have a right to know who is serving them? I'm not advocating letting them treat our lives like an open book, but the rest of the Council has their names on the Government page. I made the edit in the interest of streamlining the article. -Jordan		I'm confused by the "incognito" edits. I get valuing privacy, but don't the people have a right to know who is serving them? I'm not advocating letting them treat our lives like an open book, but the rest of the Council has their names on the Government page. I made the edit in the interest of streamlining the article. -Jordan

			I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but I assume you're referring to the birth name of the [[Baron of Bastanchury]]? I made the decision not to reveal his actual name on Encyclopedia Westarctica due to his past association with Wikipedia (more specifically, his being a banned contributor there). It could potentially lead to all kinds of attacks on Encyclopedia Westarctica from the community of Wikipedia editors and admins if his old foes over there knew that the good Baron has set up shop here. In the future, I'm happy to reverse that decision, but it serves our ends for now. ~ Travis (19 November 2018)

DukeBearPeninsula at 23:25, 19 November 2018

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	No, that position no longer exists. Same with Minister of the Environment. ~Travis (from Homburg, Germany)		No, that position no longer exists. Same with Minister of the Environment. ~Travis (from Homburg, Germany)

	~~== My overhauling of~~ the ~~article ==~~		I'm confused by the "incognito" edits. I get valuing privacy, but don't the people have a right to know who is serving them? I'm not advocating letting them treat our lives like an open book, but the rest of the Council has their names on the Government page. I made the edit in the interest of streamlining the article. -Jordan

	I ~~tried~~ to ~~leave~~ the ~~core~~ of the ~~article intact, while expanding~~ on ~~it, explaining some of~~ the ~~nuances, and fixing a few minor errors~~. I ~~also conferred with~~ the ~~Grand Duke about changing~~ the ~~approach to labels, within the Royal Council. I think this expanded approach really does the original intent~~ of the article ~~justice, while delivering a more concise and less confusing version of the info~~. ~~I hope I didn't step on any toes, here~~ -Jordan

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	No, that position no longer exists. Same with Minister of the Environment. ~Travis (from Homburg, Germany)		No, that position no longer exists. Same with Minister of the Environment. ~Travis (from Homburg, Germany)

	== ~~Issues with~~ the ~~chart and information within~~ article ==		== My overhauling of the article ==

	I ~~just wanted~~ to ~~point out a number~~ of ~~errors with~~ the article ~~and corresponding chart:~~		I tried to leave the core of the article intact, while expanding on it, explaining some of the nuances, and fixing a few minor errors. I also conferred with the Grand Duke about changing the approach to labels, within the Royal Council. I think this expanded approach really does the original intent of the article justice, while delivering a more concise and less confusing version of the info. I hope I didn't step on any toes, here -Jordan

	~~- Ellsworth King of Arms is a Council-Level position~~, ~~and falls directly under the Grand Duke, as~~ it ~~is not a Ministry~~
	~~- Commissioner of the Civilian Corps is a hybrid position~~, ~~much like the Captain~~ of the ~~Royal Guard. It is~~, ~~in theory, subordinate to the Ministry of Citizenship~~ and ~~Immigration (and will follow the Citizens Affairs side, should they ever be split), but in practice reports directly to~~ the Grand Duke.
	~~- More of a nit-pick, but my understanding is that until appointed as a Minister, Danni's role is Council-Level, and not subordinate~~ to ~~the Prime Minister.~~
	~~- Two Ministries are mislabeled: Citizenship & Immigration and Foreign Affairs.~~

	~~Also~~, the ~~roles of Prime Minister and High Commissioner seem redundant/at odds with each other~~. ~~The position of PM was officially abolished when Westarctica returned to a monarchy and~~ the ~~role~~ of ~~High Commissioner seems to have been intended to take its place. More a reflection on the state of affairs, than~~ the article, ~~but there it is.~~

	~~To be frank, I have~~ a ~~fairly good grasp on the workings of Westarctica's government, and I find this convoluted~~ and confusing. I ~~cannot think of how to correct these things without essentially writing a new article. The whole article seems superfluous, and~~ I ~~would ask the following three questions:~~

	~~- What does this article add that isn~~'t ~~already covered in the pages for the Royal Council, Grand Duke, and Prime Minister?~~
	~~- Is this article actually answering more questions than it raises?~~
	~~- Is the point to collect information~~ on a single article, even though it already can be found elsewhere, even if not explained quite so thoroughly? Because the Order Status article did essentially the same thing, and was deleted as a "content fork."

	~~At the end of the day, I don't think this article meets the two goals of providing correct information~~, ~~and doing so as clearly as possible. Just my two cents, do with it what you will.~~

	-Jordan

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	At the end of the day, I don't think this article meets the two goals of providing correct information, and doing so as clearly as possible. Just my two cents, do with it what you will.		At the end of the day, I don't think this article meets the two goals of providing correct information, and doing so as clearly as possible. Just my two cents, do with it what you will.

			-Jordan

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	No, that position no longer exists. Same with Minister of the Environment. ~Travis (from Homburg, Germany)		No, that position no longer exists. Same with Minister of the Environment. ~Travis (from Homburg, Germany)

			== Issues with the chart and information within article ==

			I just wanted to point out a number of errors with the article and corresponding chart:

			- Ellsworth King of Arms is a Council-Level position, and falls directly under the Grand Duke, as it is not a Ministry
			- Commissioner of the Civilian Corps is a hybrid position, much like the Captain of the Royal Guard. It is, in theory, subordinate to the Ministry of Citizenship and Immigration (and will follow the Citizens Affairs side, should they ever be split), but in practice reports directly to the Grand Duke.
			- More of a nit-pick, but my understanding is that until appointed as a Minister, Danni's role is Council-Level, and not subordinate to the Prime Minister.
			- Two Ministries are mislabeled: Citizenship & Immigration and Foreign Affairs.

			Also, the roles of Prime Minister and High Commissioner seem redundant/at odds with each other. The position of PM was officially abolished when Westarctica returned to a monarchy and the role of High Commissioner seems to have been intended to take its place. More a reflection on the state of affairs, than the article, but there it is.

			To be frank, I have a fairly good grasp on the workings of Westarctica's government, and I find this convoluted and confusing. I cannot think of how to correct these things without essentially writing a new article. The whole article seems superfluous, and I would ask the following three questions:

			- What does this article add that isn't already covered in the pages for the Royal Council, Grand Duke, and Prime Minister?
			- Is this article actually answering more questions than it raises?
			- Is the point to collect information on a single article, even though it already can be found elsewhere, even if not explained quite so thoroughly? Because the Order Status article did essentially the same thing, and was deleted as a "content fork."

			At the end of the day, I don't think this article meets the two goals of providing correct information, and doing so as clearly as possible. Just my two cents, do with it what you will.

Westarctica at 16:36, 5 November 2018

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	What about the [[Minister of Theocratic Affairs]]? And is there anyone else we should mention here? [[User:Baron of Bastanchury\|Baron of Bastanchury]] ([[User talk:Baron of Bastanchury\|talk]]) 05:55, 5 November 2018 (UTC)		What about the [[Minister of Theocratic Affairs]]? And is there anyone else we should mention here? [[User:Baron of Bastanchury\|Baron of Bastanchury]] ([[User talk:Baron of Bastanchury\|talk]]) 05:55, 5 November 2018 (UTC)


			No, that position no longer exists. Same with Minister of the Environment. ~Travis (from Homburg, Germany)

Baron of Bastanchury: Question

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What about the [[Minister of Theocratic Affairs]]? And is there anyone else we should mention here? [[User:Baron of Bastanchury|Baron of Bastanchury]] ([[User talk:Baron of Bastanchury|talk]]) 05:55, 5 November 2018 (UTC)